"bar0" <nob...@spamcop.net> wrote in news:5aMEg.8868$1f6.2530 @newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> A number of these companies report no revenues for several years. (never > mind profits)
I can relate to that - the "no profits" part, anyhow. :-(
OTOH I don't depend on hosting to pay the mortgage.
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I just got off the phone with Ameritrade and the Manager I spoke with said she has handled "a few of these cases this week" I believe the same thing is happening to alot of people, not just the techies like us.. also I recorded the conversation ("legal if one party is aware of the recording in the state of Minnesota")....
anyone know of any lawyers that want to handle a class action law suite???
> > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:45:31 -0400, stinky wrote:
> > > > Are you an Apex level customer? Apex level customers seem to get more > > > > attention. I guess I will have to contact them as an Apex customer.
> > > I guess as an Apex customer , I got "more" attention but the only > response > > > I got so far was a cookie cutter email.
> > I will do the same and lets see what they say.
> > Here is a sample of the infected machines the spams have come from.
> > 125.190.168.77 > ....etc. snipped
> Never mind the domains, they are undoubtedly the same ones that sendsafe has > infected. Look at some of the companies. Many commonalities; in choice of > stock promoter, locations of principals (Penticton BC is one that comes up a > lot), most are so thinly held it's probably just the owner and close > relatives, and many are successors to previously spammed entities, or are > connected via shared directors with CWTC.
> This isn't only pump and dump spam, a lot of it is create a company, "issue" > (declare) shares, publicise some "intent", and price targets, pump, and > run.
> A number of these companies report no revenues for several years. (never > mind profits)
> There are even a surprising number of dotcoms with absolutely no net > presence I can find (except for spam complaints).
Jay wrote: > I just got off the phone with Ameritrade and the Manager I spoke with > said she has handled "a few of these cases this week" I believe the > same thing is happening to alot of people, not just the techies like > us.. also I recorded the conversation ("legal if one party is aware of > the recording in the state of Minnesota")....
> anyone know of any lawyers that want to handle a class action law > suite???
> Later, > Jay
Jay, first of all please don't top post.
I'm also with Ameritrade. When you talked to the manager, did she admit they had been giving out email addresses? If this is true then I will also call and ask for an explanation.
I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who knows what else is going on.
>I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. > Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an >alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who >knows what else is going on.
Please be sure to tell them why as you close your account.
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mit...@gmail.com wrote: >I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. > Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an >alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who >knows what else is going on.
I believe it is a good idea to be specific and adamant in explaining why they can kiss your asteroid. So many of these outfits believe that customer information is their proerty, to do with as they please. These kind need to know that passing around such information is not ok.
I would expect if you keep trying you'll eventually get something like this:
A junex (fresh suit, just out of college) "thought" that would be a good way to "help" the customers receive more "valuable services" from some of our "trusted associates," and besides, since everyone gets a lot of spam anyway, it really couldn't make much difference, could it? Why get upset? JHD!
> >I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. > > Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an > >alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who > >knows what else is going on.
> I believe it is a good idea to be specific and adamant in explaining why > they can kiss your asteroid. So many of these outfits believe that > customer information is their proerty, to do with as they please. These > kind need to know that passing around such information is not ok.
My experience is that it's not just the passing around of informing, but once obtaining information, just assuming you want spam.
My case with Cingular was that they had no reason to send HTML as email, or really any email at all, as I merely needed to provide one to use their electronic service. Their counter was "well, I can do it in my emailer", to which my counter was "that doesn't make it right.". So, they stopped sending me HTML emails. Then I was complaining about their non-HTML emails. I think they put something obscene for everything to the left of the @ symbol for me. I simply blackholed their network via multiple methods.
AAA was similar to your example. I give them my email, then I get spam for it once my account expired. They sold it to a known spam farm, who refused to process remove requests. I don't know if it's stopped, but I did blacklist the email "From" address being used and I didn't see any entries in my logs in regards to this filter.
> I would expect if you keep trying you'll eventually get something like this:
> A junex (fresh suit, just out of college) "thought" that would be a good > way to "help" the customers receive more "valuable services" from some > of our "trusted associates," and besides, since everyone gets a lot of > spam anyway, it really couldn't make much difference, could it? Why get > upset? JHD!
Because newbies hvae no clue about what people do or don't want. It seems the best practice is to impose until shut down. Better to cram it down our throats until we retaliate rather than politely ask. Really, if anyone gave a damn about their emailings for such offerings, people would sign up for it.
My philosophy: If I wanted it, I'd ask for it. I haven't asked, so therefore I don't want it. NEVER assume anything.
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>In article <12ehm8aigqkl...@news.supernews.com>, Quaestor ><no-s...@my.place> wrote: >> A junex (fresh suit, just out of college) "thought" that would be a good >> way to "help" the customers receive more "valuable services" from some >> of our "trusted associates," and besides, since everyone gets a lot of >> spam anyway, it really couldn't make much difference, could it? Why get >> upset? JHD!
>Because newbies hvae no clue about what people do or don't want. It seems >the best practice is to impose until shut down. Better to cram it down our >throats until we retaliate rather than politely ask. Really, if anyone >gave a damn about their emailings for such offerings, people would sign up >for it.
>My philosophy: If I wanted it, I'd ask for it. I haven't asked, so >therefore I don't want it. NEVER assume anything.
But that goes contrary to what marketing execs are taught in college: 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
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> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The > fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
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>> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
>> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The >> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
>The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as human >beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street like any >other dangerous, rabid mammal.
The marketing and legal professions require a removal of all ethical and moral sense as an initial qualifier. It's part of the initiation.
mit...@gmail.com wrote: > I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. > Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an > alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who > knows what else is going on.
I asked Ameritrade the question of whether they give out email addresses to third parties. Here is their reply.
Thane ++++++++++++++++++++++
I am sorry for any inconvenience in getting spam but, I can assure you that TD Ameritrade does NOT give your email address to outside firms.
Thank You,
Cynthia D. Client Support, TD AMERITRADE Division of TD AMERITRADE, Inc. ++++++++++++++++++++++
Taki Kogoma wrote: >>My philosophy: If I wanted it, I'd ask for it. I haven't asked, so >>therefore I don't want it. NEVER assume anything.
>But that goes contrary to what marketing execs are taught in college: >'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
>They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The >fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
Their philosophy: If they can find you they can hammer you. If they hammer you they will eventually get a sale. Until then their masters will still pay them for hammering you.
>mit...@gmail.com wrote: >> I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. >> Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an >> alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who >> knows what else is going on.
>I asked Ameritrade the question of whether they give out email >addresses to third parties. Here is their reply.
>Thane >++++++++++++++++++++++
>I am sorry for any inconvenience in getting spam but, I can assure you >that TD Ameritrade does NOT give your email address to outside firms.
>Thank You,
>Cynthia D. >Client Support, TD AMERITRADE >Division of TD AMERITRADE, Inc. >++++++++++++++++++++++
You used the wrong phrasing; you should have asked if they give, sell trade or in any other ways pass on your address to third parties. ;^>
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Patricia A. Shaffer wrote: > On 21 Aug 2006 13:19:08 -0700, "Thane" <m...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >mit...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I've requested an explanation from client services, this is pretty bad. > >> Unless Ameritrade surprises me, I expect I'll be finding an > >> alternative service... if customer e-mail has been compromised, who > >> knows what else is going on.
> >I asked Ameritrade the question of whether they give out email > >addresses to third parties. Here is their reply.
> >Thane > >++++++++++++++++++++++
> >I am sorry for any inconvenience in getting spam but, I can assure you > >that TD Ameritrade does NOT give your email address to outside firms.
> >Thank You,
> >Cynthia D. > >Client Support, TD AMERITRADE > >Division of TD AMERITRADE, Inc. > >++++++++++++++++++++++
> You used the wrong phrasing; you should have asked if they give, sell > trade or in any other ways pass on your address to third parties. ;^>
> -- > Patricia > Proud Citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia > "Anti-spammers are the immune system of the Internet." CDR M. Dobson > "The issue is consent, not content." Crosscut
>> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
>> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The >> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
> The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as > human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street > like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
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> >> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
> >> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The > >> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
> > The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as > > human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street > > like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
> I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
Personally, I'm still pissed he said "Marketing Professionals" and "human beings" in the same sentence. Hell, he even threw in "rabit mammal" too.
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for_use...@invalid.studio42.com (Chris Pickett) wrote: >> > The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as >> > human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street >> > like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
>> I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
>Personally, I'm still pissed he said "Marketing Professionals" and "human >beings" in the same sentence. Hell, he even threw in "rabit mammal" too.
You mean like large and ever growing numbers of the board of <anyname.co,inc. etc> no matter what title they hold.
>> >> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
>> >> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The >> >> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
>> > The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as >> > human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street >> > like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
>> I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
>Personally, I'm still pissed he said "Marketing Professionals" and "human >beings" in the same sentence. Hell, he even threw in "rabit mammal" too.
That's why I prefer to use the term "vermin". It's *always* open season on vermin ... and you don't need a license! ;^>
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>>> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
>>> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The >>> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
>> The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as >> human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street >> like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
> I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
There are more ways of shooting an animal than with firearms. Most of them are silent, too.
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Discussion subject changed to "Reply to Another of Rich Tietjens' 10 empty malicious spam posts per day!!" by Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
> >> >> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
> >> >> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The > >> >> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
> >> > The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as > >> > human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street > >> > like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
> >> I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
> >Personally, I'm still pissed he said "Marketing Professionals" and "human > >beings" in the same sentence. Hell, he even threw in "rabit mammal" too.
> That's why I prefer to use the term "vermin". It's *always* open > season on vermin ... and you don't need a license! ;^>
Again, why insult the vermin by somehow indirectly associating them with "marketing professionals".
I think the problem is, whatever term is agreed upon, we'll(tinw) get a call from their anti-defamation league.
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> >>> 'Marketing Professionals' are *trained* to know what people want.
> >>> They *know* what you want. They know it better than you do. The > >>> fault lies in your ignorance of what you want!
> >> The fault lies in the laws that define "Marketing Professionals" as > >> human beings, thus making it illegal to shoot them down in the street > >> like any other dangerous, rabid mammal.
> > I just know an anti-gun nut is going to crank right in now....
> There are more ways of shooting an animal than with firearms. Most of them > are silent, too.
I have mice in my garage. Too much stuff, too many hiding places. Lots of construction. When I get my truck back, put the pro audio gear in that, then crank up the generator and seal up the garage for an hour by putting about half a gallon of gas in the generator. Wait for all to go silent, then use the remote to open the garage door.
Still, a fate too easy for a "marketing professional" or a spammer.
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:07:41 +0200 (CEST), Brad Jesness lamely attempting to hide his usenet kookery from his wife Renee Jesness misused the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote another hate filled post hoping to make friends and influence people.
>"Dotes", you spamming retard fool, YOU ARE AN OFF-TOPIC LAME USELESS >SPAMMER!!!!!
>SCREW YOU, Rich Tietjens, you retard Nazi psycho and incompetent and >leach on society.
Hey Brad, your insults would be more effective if you could compose an actual sentence.
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<yourfri...@example.com> wrote: >On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:07:41 +0200 (CEST), Brad Jesness lamely attempting to >hide his usenet kookery from his wife Renee Jesness misused the Cypherpunks >Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote another hate filled post hoping to >make friends and influence people.
>>"Dotes", you spamming retard fool, YOU ARE AN OFF-TOPIC LAME USELESS >>SPAMMER!!!!!
>>SCREW YOU, Rich Tietjens, you retard Nazi psycho and incompetent and >>leach on society.
>Hey Brad, your insults would be more effective if you could compose an actual >sentence.
>Have a Nice Weekend, >Your Friend
Rich,
Do you need any further indication that your efforts are welcome and valuable?
How many messages blocked from Bwadly equate to "Job well done!"?
A dozen?
Five?
One?
If Bwadly had more brains, it might be more of a challange to you. But since Bwadly's spam takes only about a half of an IQ point to block, you may feel your intellagance is wasted.
Instead, think of how many IQ points that are not wasted on his spew, rather than how many it takes to block the incompetent screwball.
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