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  Discussion of written science fiction and fantasy.
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  <updated>2010-03-16T05:58:38Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Gene Wirchenko</name>
  <email>ge...@ocis.net</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T05:38:29Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Some thoughts on _Space Cadet_ &amp; Other RAH titles?</title>
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  On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:01:32 -0500, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David &lt;br&gt; [snip] &lt;br&gt; Is this thread setting it off? &lt;br&gt; Sincerely, &lt;br&gt; Gene Wirchenko
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  <author>
  <name>Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy</name>
  <email>tausti...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T05:05:22Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Time Travel in fantasy</title>
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  David Johnston &amp;lt;da...@block.net&amp;gt; wrote in &lt;br&gt; Of course not. Duh.
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  <author>
  <name>Mike Ash</name>
  <email>m...@mikeash.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-16T05:58:38Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Why Larry Niven and the starship Enterprise?</title>
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  In article &amp;lt;hnmq3d$du...@news.eternal-sep tember.org&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Not only did this happen, but it is described in a link contained in the &lt;br&gt; very message that you&#39;re replying to.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Mike Ash</name>
  <email>m...@mikeash.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-16T05:58:20Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Why Larry Niven and the starship Enterprise?</title>
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  In article &amp;lt;vdqtp5lsllessq4d7e1do3d6men3n jc...@4ax.com&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Why would it be a fundamental flaw? Windows is a strange choice, but &lt;br&gt; that&#39;s just because it&#39;s worse than the alternatives, not because it&#39;s &lt;br&gt; completely useless. &lt;br&gt; Note that the actual failure was unrelated to Windows, but was rather a &lt;br&gt; lack of robust programming in the *applications* it was running. And of
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Mike Ash</name>
  <email>m...@mikeash.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-16T05:53:50Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Why Larry Niven and the starship Enterprise?</title>
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  In article &amp;lt;hnmu1d$pc...@reader1.panix.co m&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; I could possibly buy it if the ramrobots were *deliberately* programmed &lt;br&gt; to be useless, so that the colony program could justify sending people &lt;br&gt; to worlds which the beancounters might not find worthwhile. But there&#39;s &lt;br&gt; no hint of such a thing in the stories....
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Mike Ash</name>
  <email>m...@mikeash.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T05:52:22Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.fj/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/e94c5746a9fb84db/a4a6f8e342a6d128?show_docid=a4a6f8e342a6d128"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Be Careful What You Wish For</title>
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  In article &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;8d0c68db-721b-4d0e-bcfc-5626f 373f...@g11g2000yqe.googlegrou ps.com&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Niven has at least a couple. One is &amp;quot;The Wishing Game&amp;quot;, a fairly &lt;br&gt; standard story in which clever humans trick a genie. Another one is &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;Convergent Series&amp;quot;, which doesn&#39;t involve a genie, nor careful &lt;br&gt; wish-phrasing, but does result in the character avoiding having to pay
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  <author>
  <name>Jonathan Schattke</name>
  <email>wiz...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T04:47:14Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Some thoughts on _Space Cadet_ &amp; Other RAH titles?</title>
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  Conservation of mass-energy would say that you continue to accelerate. &lt;br&gt; The effect you see is the rest of the universe slowing down. But if you &lt;br&gt; push with a 1G force, you accelerate at 1G in your frame. This is the &lt;br&gt; core of relativity. Explaining how it can work with an invariant &lt;br&gt; lightspeed is what made Einstein great.
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  <author>
  <name>David Goldfarb</name>
  <email>goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T04:23:37Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Time Travel in fantasy</title>
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  In article &amp;lt;slrnhptvbc.pat....@gatekeeper .vic.com&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Also I seem to recall Diana Wynne Jones&#39; _The Time of the Ghost_ &lt;br&gt; has time travel.
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  <author>
  <name>David Goldfarb</name>
  <email>goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T04:26:05Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Be Careful What You Wish For</title>
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  In article &amp;lt;808engFp2...@mid.individual.n et&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Yes, although it was closer to &amp;quot;worst, stupidest, and most miserable&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; (and the wisher forgot the &amp;quot;harm to others&amp;quot; clause, although the author &lt;br&gt; didn&#39;t do anything with that).
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  <author>
  <name>Kurt Busiek</name>
  <email>k...@busiek.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T04:18:13Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Time Travel in fantasy</title>
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  On 2010-03-15 02:19:39 -0700, Michael Grosberg &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;grosberg.mich...@gmail.com&amp;gt; said: &lt;br&gt; Did anyone mention IF I NEVER GET BACK and its sequel, TWO IN THE &lt;br&gt; FIELD, by Darryl Brock? &lt;br&gt; THE TIME TRAVELER&#39;S WIFE by Audrey Niffenegger explains the time travel &lt;br&gt; via a &amp;quot;chrono displacement disorder,&amp;quot; which isn&#39;t magic, but there&#39;s
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  <author>
  <name>Greg Goss</name>
  <email>go...@gossg.org</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T04:14:12Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Trolling the Goss</title>
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  Come to Papa.
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  <author>
  <name>Ted Nolan &lt;tednolan&gt;</name>
  <email>t...@loft.tnolan.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-03-16T04:11:28Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Be Careful What You Wish For</title>
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  In article &amp;lt;08c4e323-3fca-43dd-8ce3-8b175 f6bb...@g4g2000yqa.googlegroup s.com&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; Was it Fredric Brown who did the: &lt;br&gt; I wish, without any change in myself or harm to others, to become &lt;br&gt; the worst human on earth. &lt;br&gt; one? &lt;br&gt; Ted
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  <author>
  <name>Paul Arthur</name>
  <email>floweryson...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-16T04:08:23Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Time Travel in fantasy</title>
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  Argh, forgot about that first one (I discounted ToT thinking it didn&#39;t &lt;br&gt; have backwards time travel, though now that I think about it there &lt;br&gt; were things like the yeti.) There&#39;s also time travel (complete with &lt;br&gt; paradox) in _The Last Continent_, and an incidental bit that&#39;s careful &lt;br&gt; to avoid paradox in _Guards! Guards!_. Oh, and _Pyramids_ contains a causal
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  <author>
  <name>Maureen</name>
  <email>suburbanbans...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-16T04:09:24Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Be Careful What You Wish For</title>
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  But men can&#39;t conceive, so obviously the male wisher gets nothing. &lt;br&gt; Maureen
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  <author>
  <name>Paul Arthur</name>
  <email>floweryson...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-03-16T03:55:36Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Time Travel in fantasy</title>
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  Terry Pratchett, _Night Watch_ &lt;br&gt; Protagonist is thrown back in time due to an intersection of magical &lt;br&gt; events; arrives in his own past. Complications ensue. &lt;br&gt; Mark Twain, _A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur&#39;s Court_ and &lt;br&gt; Other People, numerous knockoffs of same. &lt;br&gt; There&#39;s not generally any exploration of paradox, though.
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