Another scare bites the dust. The global warming fraud is next!
SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON MAN-MADE OZONE HOLE MAY BE COMING APART Reality aces the knowalls again. And the antarctic "ozone hole" has reached record sizes in recent years, DESPITE the abolition of CFCs. The latest reading is not as big as the record 28 million sq km holes that developed during 2000, 2003 and 2006 but is close to it. When will they admit that the whole CFC scare showed only how little they knew?
As the world marks 20 years since the introduction of the Montreal Protocol to protect the ozone layer, Nature has learned of experimental data that threaten to shatter established theories of ozone chemistry. If the data are right, scientists will have to rethink their understanding of how ozone holes are formed and how that relates to climate change.
Long-lived chloride compounds from anthropogenic emissions of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are the main cause of worrying seasonal ozone losses in both hemispheres. In 1985, researchers discovered a hole in the ozone layer above the Antarctic, after atmospheric chloride levels built up. The Montreal Protocol, agreed in 1987 and ratified two years later, stopped the production and consumption of most ozone-destroying chemicals. But many will linger on in the atmosphere for decades to come. How and on what timescales they will break down depend on the molecules' ultraviolet absorption spectrum (the wavelength of light a molecule can absorb), as the energy for the process comes from sunlight. Molecules break down and react at different speeds according to the wavelength available and the temperature, both of which are factored into the protocol.
So Markus Rex, an atmosphere scientist at the Alfred Wegener Institute of Polar and Marine Research in Potsdam, Germany, did a double-take when he saw new data for the break-down rate of a crucial molecule, dichlorine peroxide (Cl2O2). The rate of photolysis (light-activated splitting) of this molecule reported by chemists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California1, was extremely low in the wavelengths available in the stratosphere - almost an order of magnitude lower than the currently accepted rate. "This must have far-reaching consequences," Rex says. "If the measurements are correct we can basically no longer say we understand how ozone holes come into being." What effect the results have on projections of the speed or extent of ozone depletion remains unclear.
The rapid photolysis of Cl2O2 is a key reaction in the chemical model of ozone destruction developed 20 years ago2 (see graphic). If the rate is substantially lower than previously thought, then it would not be possible to create enough aggressive chlorine radicals to explain the observed ozone losses at high latitudes, says Rex. The extent of the discrepancy became apparent only when he incorporated the new photolysis rate into a chemical model of ozone depletion. The result was a shock: at least 60% of ozone destruction at the poles seems to be due to an unknown mechanism, Rex told a meeting of stratosphere researchers in Bremen, Germany, last week.
Other groups have yet to confirm the new photolysis rate, but the conundrum is already causing much debate and uncertainty in the ozone research community. "Our understanding of chloride chemistry has really been blown apart," says John Crowley, an ozone researcher at the Max Planck Institute of Chemistry in Mainz, Germany. "Until recently everything looked like it fitted nicely," agrees Neil Harris, an atmosphere scientist who heads the European Ozone Research Coordinating Unit at the University of Cambridge, UK. "Now suddenly it's like a plank has been pulled out of a bridge." ......
"If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our annual anthropogenic CO2 contribution today would be equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor" D'Aleo
"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree panic us" Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the National Academy of Sciences
"What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes" Dr. Richard Lindzen
[most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard Lindzen
> Sorry to expose your lies Popcock (not really!), but temperatures have > plateaued since 1998 DESPITE soaring CO2 levels. > Actually the globe has cooled a little since then and is now starting a > cooling tend proper.
You are a Habitual Liar Bonzo. Here is the temperature data and a plot showing the increase in temperaure since 1998.
"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote
> The "0"'s are NOT THE DATA! > They have created a trend which does not exist in the data. > Voodoo statistics!
Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid KKKonservative KKKlown. A trendline skirts across the top of the data leaving equal portions of the data above and below. In this instane 10 dots above, and 14 below as a result of the crude nature of ascii graphics. Nevertheless it represents the best line that can be fitted to the data based on minimizing the square of the distance between the line and the real data. It's called a least squares curve fit.
You are completely ignorant when it comes to statistics and mathematics in general aren't you Bonzo.
Ahahahahahaha.. You don't know what statistics are, where it comes from, how it is used, or how to use it, and yet in your vast ignorance, you seem to think that you know more about science than all of the worlds scientists.
"Voodoo statistics" Ahahahahahahahah... You need to go back to public school and take a refresher course in basic technical literacy.
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, In <475393e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:28:19 +1100, B0NZ0 said about: Ozone Hole Now Near Record Size, DESPITE Abolition OF CFC's
> Another scare bites the dust. > The global warming fraud is next!
> SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON MAN-MADE OZONE HOLE MAY BE COMING APART > Reality aces the knowalls again. And the antarctic "ozone hole" has > reached record sizes in recent years, DESPITE the abolition of CFCs.
Oh brother. THAT's your "argument?"
If there is anything I hate worse than idiots, it's liars. Which are you?
On Dec 3, 12:28 am, "B0NZ0" <boo...@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
> Another scare bites the dust. > The global warming fraud is next!
> SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON MAN-MADE OZONE HOLE MAY BE COMING APART
Like the scientific consensus on atoms?
> Reality aces the knowalls again. And the antarctic "ozone hole" has > reached record sizes in recent years, DESPITE the abolition of CFCs.
Because it can take up to 75 years for CFC molecules to make their way up to the stratosphere and for the Cl free radical to get taken out of the loop.
>The > latest reading is not as big as the record 28 million sq km holes that > developed during 2000, 2003 and 2006 but is close to it. When will they > admit that the whole CFC scare showed only how little they knew?
Two words: Nobel Prize. They got one, you didn't.
> As the world marks 20 years since the introduction of the Montreal > Protocol to protect the ozone layer, Nature has learned of experimental > data that threaten to shatter established theories of ozone chemistry. > If the data are right, scientists will have to rethink their > understanding of how ozone holes are formed and how that relates to > climate change.
> Long-lived chloride compounds from anthropogenic emissions of > chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are the main cause of worrying seasonal ozone > losses in both hemispheres. In 1985, researchers discovered a hole in > the ozone layer above the Antarctic, after atmospheric chloride levels > built up. The Montreal Protocol, agreed in 1987 and ratified two years > later, stopped the production and consumption of most ozone-destroying > chemicals. But many will linger on in the atmosphere for decades to > come.
>How and on what timescales they will break down depend on the > molecules' ultraviolet absorption spectrum (the wavelength of light a > molecule can absorb), as the energy for the process comes from sunlight. > Molecules break down and react at different speeds according to the > wavelength available and the temperature, both of which are factored > into the protocol.
> So Markus Rex, an atmosphere scientist at the Alfred Wegener Institute > of Polar and Marine Research in Potsdam, Germany, did a double-take when > he saw new data for the break-down rate of a crucial molecule, > dichlorine peroxide (Cl2O2). The rate of photolysis (light-activated > splitting) of this molecule reported by chemists at NASA's Jet > Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California1, was extremely low in the > wavelengths available in the stratosphere - almost an order of magnitude > lower than the currently accepted rate. "This must have far-reaching > consequences," Rex says. "If the measurements are correct we can > basically no longer say we understand how ozone holes come into being." > What effect the results have on projections of the speed or extent of > ozone depletion remains unclear.
> The rapid photolysis of Cl2O2 is a key reaction in the chemical model of > ozone destruction developed 20 years ago2 (see graphic). If the rate is > substantially lower than previously thought, then it would not be > possible to create enough aggressive chlorine radicals to explain the > observed ozone losses at high latitudes, says Rex. The extent of the > discrepancy became apparent only when he incorporated the new photolysis > rate into a chemical model of ozone depletion. The result was a shock: > at least 60% of ozone destruction at the poles seems to be due to an > unknown mechanism, Rex told a meeting of stratosphere researchers in > Bremen, Germany, last week.
> Other groups have yet to confirm the new photolysis rate, but the > conundrum is already causing much debate and uncertainty in the ozone > research community. "Our understanding of chloride chemistry has really > been blown apart," says John Crowley, an ozone researcher at the Max > Planck Institute of Chemistry in Mainz, Germany. "Until recently > everything looked like it fitted nicely," agrees Neil Harris, an > atmosphere scientist who heads the European Ozone Research Coordinating > Unit at the University of Cambridge, UK. "Now suddenly it's like a plank > has been pulled out of a bridge." ......
> "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our annual anthropogenic > CO2 > contribution today would be equivalent to the linoleum on the first > floor" > D'Aleo
> "...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for > anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree > panic us" > Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the > National Academy of Sciences
> "What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the > only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes" > Dr. Richard Lindzen
> [most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently > untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately > forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard Lindzen
On Dec 3, 11:09 am, Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 12:28 am, "B0NZ0" <boo...@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
> > Another scare bites the dust. > > The global warming fraud is next!
> > SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON MAN-MADE OZONE HOLE MAY BE COMING APART
> Like the scientific consensus on atoms?
> > Reality aces the knowalls again. And the antarctic "ozone hole" has > > reached record sizes in recent years, DESPITE the abolition of CFCs.
> Because it can take up to 75 years for CFC molecules to make their way > up to the stratosphere and for the Cl free radical to get taken out of > the loop.
Too bad you worthless 'scientists' can't do anything about that. Have you worthless fuck-tards had any successes changing the global climate?
> Too bad you worthless 'scientists' can't do anything about that. > Have you worthless fuck-tards had any successes changing the global > climate?
Tue Dec 4, 4:10 2007
PARIS (Reuters) - Finnish 15-year-olds had the best science knowledge last year according to an OECD education report released on Tuesday, but South Korea took the top spot in reading while Taipei students were the smartest at maths.
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Finland ranked top in the science survey with a mean score of 563, beating Hong Kong into second place with 542 and Canada into third with a score of 534.
The United States, Spain and Italy were among 32 countries that were classed as statistically below the Organisation for Economic Cooperate and Development (OECD) average.
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